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Taxation
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Could you please provide a source accessible to the most gentiles that shows that taxation, the taking of money by government without the consent of the individual(s) from whom it is taken, is legal and that it is not theft or extortion? Could you show how the source makes the allowance for gentile governments to force money from their subjects without consent applicable to gentiles (noahides) as opposed to just Jews (again, I'm questioning the applicability of dina d'melchuta dina and it's applicability to gentiles as opposed to Jews in gentile lands)? And if this source is not accessible to most gentiles, is it possible to quote it? Does this source allow for the non-consentual taking of other gentile property like houses, cars, and children, as it would be useful to know where this power of the government stops and where the laws of theft kick in?

This is in light of the fact that, as far as I've studied, theft is the taking of something that belongs to someone else without their unforced consent and extortion also is forbidden (extortion defined as "to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.")

I can understand execution as a form of punishment. But not this governmental act that, for all intents and purposes, resembles theft.

PS. I know that a fraction of the governments funds may go to worthwhile causes. But with the amount of crimes they appear to commit, especially against the noahide laws, it's a bit like a man gently stroking the hair of his murder victim, or a slave owner giving his slave a piece of meat to eat while he beats him senseless for the place he put his meat. It's hard for me to balance the good with the bad.
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Taxation - by Zulske - 03-08-2012, 01:28 PM
RE: Taxation - by Rabbi Moshe Weiner - 03-09-2012, 04:36 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-09-2012, 04:42 AM
RE: Taxation - by Zulske - 03-09-2012, 05:47 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-13-2012, 11:15 AM
RE: Taxation - by Mattityahu ben Noach - 03-15-2012, 04:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-16-2012, 06:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by Zulske - 03-17-2012, 05:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-20-2012, 04:48 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 03-28-2013, 01:54 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-10-2013, 03:18 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 04-16-2013, 11:34 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-17-2013, 06:52 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 04-24-2013, 05:08 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-27-2013, 07:14 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-03-2013, 11:47 PM
RE: Taxation - by Rabbi Moshe Weiner - 05-08-2013, 03:27 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-08-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 05-08-2013, 06:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-10-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 05-18-2013, 10:11 AM
Dinim: Courts or Government - by amenyahu - 07-08-2013, 09:00 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-09-2013, 12:08 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-09-2013, 12:59 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-10-2013, 03:53 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-13-2013, 05:53 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-14-2013, 07:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-14-2013, 09:21 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-21-2013, 07:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by cheryl - 10-19-2013, 10:15 PM

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