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Promoting observance with positive efforts
(04-21-2011, 08:57 PM)davidPeterson Wrote: Do you think that there is the possibility that we will have a *Torah*-based Monarchy that will rule the nations, possibly with the assistance of the U.N.?

Not before Moshiach comes (see Gen. 49:10 and Isaiah 11:10). Until that time, any efforts toward centralized world governance are surely based on Communism or Fascism which are antithetical to the Torah-based faith, and which are two sides of the same coin that are well represented at the U.N. .

(04-21-2011, 08:57 PM)davidPeterson Wrote: I have noticed on some Noahide sites that the U.N are now promoting the Noahide Laws to their member states (similar to how the laws are recognised in U.S. public law)... so is it possible that there can be an emergence of what we might term a new order of the nations, governed by a ruling Noahide system, backed by the U.N.? A kind of a Noahide world government?

What I mentioned above applies. Rambam addressed this issue in Laws of Kings 8:11 -
"Any Gentile who accepts the seven [DIVINE] *commandments* and is careful to observe them is of the "pious of the nations of the world" and will have a portion in the World to Come. This is so provided that one accepts them and observes them because the Holy One, blessed be He, commanded them in the Torah and informed us through Moses our teacher that the descendants of Noah were originally commanded about them. But if one observes them only by virtue of common sense, he is not a Ger Toshav (a Gentile 'Resident,' the Written Torah's term for one who takes on the Noahide Code), nor one of the 'pious of the nations of the world,' but rather, one of their wise people."

Of course governments should be encouraged, from the top down and from the bottom up, to adopt for themselves laws that are consistent with, and which uphold practical observance of, a wider range of the precepts of the Noahide Code, because those precepts are indispensable for the short- and long-term well being of any society.

(04-21-2011, 08:57 PM)davidPeterson Wrote: I noticed on the site of the Jerusalem Centre for Jewish studies, the principal notes in one of his pages:


"© There is an absence of an absolute code of justice. Instead, this is replaced by a relative righteousness which is often corrupted by tyrants and false environmental trends. There is often no real freedom or equality, which is witnessed by unjust discrimination against minorities, races, classes and groups.

It is worthy to note that capitalism is the only economic system know to man that can provide *both* economic growth and personal freedom. But since evil is prevalent in the world until Moshiach comes, every country needs to adopt a legislated social contract in which valid human rights are guaranteed with the force of law - WITH CHECKS AND BALANCES, because power corrupts, and corrupt people seek power.

(04-21-2011, 08:57 PM)davidPeterson Wrote: "The Universal Noachaide Code As stated in the Bible (Genesis 9:1-7) and Talmud, the Universal Noahide code is a guide to general ethics and also international relations which would remedy these inadequacies:

The recognition of a Universal, Supra-national code would replace national sovereignty.

The fulfillment of the Code would be undressed to be a collective responsibility.

The Universal Code would operate between individuals as well as between states. Therefore it would apply equally to internal affairs, and under its rule, stateless and foreign individuals would be protected.
Such a world government could take the form of a World Federation, a loose bi-polar system, or a wider balance of national groups."


Are you in line with this concept Sir?

There is no Torah basis for this proposal, nor is there any basis in Torah to imagine that it could succeed on a practical basis. Also, to establish an *authentic* Noahide Code law, i.e. Torah-based, this hypothetical world government would have to defer to the consensus of Torah-law rulings by reliable observant Orthodox Rabbis. The present conditions of rampant antisemitism and rampant anti-Israel politics, as well as rampant internal Israeli politics, preclude this from the realm of possibility.

In the meantime, every individual Gentile who can be reached with this message has the freedom to choose to accept the Torah's Noahide Code and the reward of the World to Come. In societies with religious freedom, they can form Noahide community groups and congregations with like-minded individuals and families who can make their faithful actions and voices heard in their own societies.

(04-10-2011, 02:43 PM)Director Michael Wrote: Note that none of these punishments will be an issue in the Messianic Era which will begin very soon, because in that time, all Gentiles will be willing and happy righteous observers of the Noahide Code, since G-d will remove the influence of the Evil Inclination from the world.

Could the Messianic Era be the time when the U.N. is fully on board with spreading the Noahide Laws to their member states?

Rather, that will happen in the Messianic Era. But the first events in the Messianic Era will be Moshiach's establishing the Third Holy Temple on its site in Jerusalem, and the in-gathering of all the Jews in the world to the Land of Israel. So those are the signs for the time when we can expect the U.N. to get fully on board with G-d's Noahide Commandments, which are based in the Torah of Moses.

A fundamental principle of the Noahide Code is the Torah concept of a "Ger Toshav" Gentile, which has no concept outside of the context of a Torah-based and Torah-observant Jewish government ruling with full authority over the entire biblical area of the Holy Land that G-d gave to the Jewish people. Let the U.N. adopt that one modest proposal, and then there might be some basis to think that a next step in the direction of the authentic Noahide Code could be achieved.

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RE: Promoting observance with positive efforts - by Director Michael - 04-28-2011, 11:37 PM

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