https://www.asknoah.org/forum/ Mon, 20 Apr 2026 21:01:23 +0000 MyBB https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=3375 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 14:45:05 +0000 John]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=3375

Many thanks to all moderators and readers for their consideration of this difficult topic.

A table called “Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary | Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine” on the official website of the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists as ingredients cell lines cultured from aborted fetal cells. Strains WI-38 and MRC-5 (just for the sake of giving two examples) are some of the more commonly-listed aborted fetal cell lines on that particular ingredients list. At the very bottom of the document, anyone can read “March 2018,” presumably meaning that the information was current/up-to-date about five months ago.

Here is the URL for readers to use to locate the CDC webpage for that table:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo...able-2.pdf

Since it is not contested that WI-38 and MRC-5 were in fact aborted fetal cell lines, the primary source at the above URL proves that aborted fetal cell lines were used and strongly implies that the information was up-to-date in March 2018.

So, my question for the moderators is: have vaccines that contained aborted fetal cell lines been considered in Judaism to be non-kosher/illegal? Also, what should be done to establish righteous court systems (Noahide Law #7) that will properly address this problem?

Kosher status is surely not an irrelevant subject, because many Noahides have been considering conversion to Judaism!

Let me be very clear: I am not saying that abortions must be performed continuously in order to supply pharmaceutical companies with the human tissue we are discussing – it would seem that many of these cell lines have been growing/reproducing for many decades in laboratory conditions after having been harvested from aborted fetuses a long time ago.

Thank you.]]>

Many thanks to all moderators and readers for their consideration of this difficult topic.

A table called “Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary | Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine” on the official website of the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists as ingredients cell lines cultured from aborted fetal cells. Strains WI-38 and MRC-5 (just for the sake of giving two examples) are some of the more commonly-listed aborted fetal cell lines on that particular ingredients list. At the very bottom of the document, anyone can read “March 2018,” presumably meaning that the information was current/up-to-date about five months ago.

Here is the URL for readers to use to locate the CDC webpage for that table:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo...able-2.pdf

Since it is not contested that WI-38 and MRC-5 were in fact aborted fetal cell lines, the primary source at the above URL proves that aborted fetal cell lines were used and strongly implies that the information was up-to-date in March 2018.

So, my question for the moderators is: have vaccines that contained aborted fetal cell lines been considered in Judaism to be non-kosher/illegal? Also, what should be done to establish righteous court systems (Noahide Law #7) that will properly address this problem?

Kosher status is surely not an irrelevant subject, because many Noahides have been considering conversion to Judaism!

Let me be very clear: I am not saying that abortions must be performed continuously in order to supply pharmaceutical companies with the human tissue we are discussing – it would seem that many of these cell lines have been growing/reproducing for many decades in laboratory conditions after having been harvested from aborted fetuses a long time ago.

Thank you.]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2057 Mon, 05 Jun 2017 07:24:11 +0000 TomBenNoah]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2057 https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2029 Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:04:11 +0000 OlKorekt]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2029 https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2000 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 03:13:43 +0000 Hrvatski Noahid]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2000
From the Divine Code (p 440, topic 1):

"Just as it is forbidden to murder, it is likewise forbidden to harm any person, whether male or female, old or young. This applies not only to physical harm, such as wounding or bruising, but also to emotional harm, such as scaring, terrifying, or embarrassing a person (for example, stripping a person in public)"

I have plans to write frightening tales in the future. Surely the prohibition of scaring and terrifying a person does not apply when the reader wants to be scared and terrified. In that case there is no emotional harm at all.

But what about children who are too young to understand that these tales are fiction? Would I be liable for causing emotional harm to them?]]>
From the Divine Code (p 440, topic 1):

"Just as it is forbidden to murder, it is likewise forbidden to harm any person, whether male or female, old or young. This applies not only to physical harm, such as wounding or bruising, but also to emotional harm, such as scaring, terrifying, or embarrassing a person (for example, stripping a person in public)"

I have plans to write frightening tales in the future. Surely the prohibition of scaring and terrifying a person does not apply when the reader wants to be scared and terrified. In that case there is no emotional harm at all.

But what about children who are too young to understand that these tales are fiction? Would I be liable for causing emotional harm to them?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1987 Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:53:41 +0000 Hrvatski Noahid]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1987
Rabbi Weiner writes (p 434): „However, if this doctor is not licensed (or there was a more competent licensed doctor available) and he caused death, even if he only wanted to help the patient, this is an instance that began with the negligence of not leaving the treatment to a certified doctor, and even if it is unpreventable in the end, he is liable to be sentenced for murder.“

Certification does not guarantee good health care. It decreases the number of available doctors. And it reduces competition in the health care industry. Governments have the right to (de)regulate industries. So why does this ruling have the force of Torah law?]]>
Rabbi Weiner writes (p 434): „However, if this doctor is not licensed (or there was a more competent licensed doctor available) and he caused death, even if he only wanted to help the patient, this is an instance that began with the negligence of not leaving the treatment to a certified doctor, and even if it is unpreventable in the end, he is liable to be sentenced for murder.“

Certification does not guarantee good health care. It decreases the number of available doctors. And it reduces competition in the health care industry. Governments have the right to (de)regulate industries. So why does this ruling have the force of Torah law?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1875 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 03:35:16 +0000 Director Michael]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1875 a Balkan Noahide Wrote:Dear Dr. Schulman,

Please accept my sincerest condolences in regard to the horrible attack on Israeli citizens in Bulgaria. As Noahides, we share in your joy and sorrow, and an attack upon Israel is like an attack upon ourselves. We have a common Supreme Protector who has given us His promise that He will never abandon Israel. Even now, guided by His Providence, the number of Noahides, and therefore, of people who are here to offer you their spiritual, emotional, and material assistance increases by the day, and soon, with the arrival of Moshiach ben David, evil will be conquered once and for all.

G-d bless.]]> a Balkan Noahide Wrote:Dear Dr. Schulman,

Please accept my sincerest condolences in regard to the horrible attack on Israeli citizens in Bulgaria. As Noahides, we share in your joy and sorrow, and an attack upon Israel is like an attack upon ourselves. We have a common Supreme Protector who has given us His promise that He will never abandon Israel. Even now, guided by His Providence, the number of Noahides, and therefore, of people who are here to offer you their spiritual, emotional, and material assistance increases by the day, and soon, with the arrival of Moshiach ben David, evil will be conquered once and for all.

G-d bless.]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=609 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 03:05:03 +0000 Mattityahu ben Noach]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=609 If he is told that removing the testicles could save his life (but would render him sterile), is he permitted to agree to such a procedure, or is it forbidden due to the Noahide commandment against voluntary sterilization or man or beast? ]]> If he is told that removing the testicles could save his life (but would render him sterile), is he permitted to agree to such a procedure, or is it forbidden due to the Noahide commandment against voluntary sterilization or man or beast? ]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=437 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:01:19 +0000 Finch]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=437
That being the case, would it have been acceptable for his sword bearer to kill him as Saul initially requested of him (1 Samuel 31:4)?

If not, my next question: His sword bearer killed himself immediately in the same manner following Saul's suicide. I don't see the difference in the sword bearer's actions. My understanding is that it was acceptable for the sword bearer to kill himself to avoid torture, but it would have been murder for him to kill Saul as an act of mercy. Is this correct?

This reminds me of the passage in 'The Last of the Mohicans' where Duncan Heyward is about to be burned at the Stake by the Indian tribe, and Hawkeye shoots him with a rifle from a distance to save him from the torture of the fire. Although this is a fictional account obviously, would it have been an acceptable move for him to save his friend from this fate even though he was facing certain death regardless?]]>
That being the case, would it have been acceptable for his sword bearer to kill him as Saul initially requested of him (1 Samuel 31:4)?

If not, my next question: His sword bearer killed himself immediately in the same manner following Saul's suicide. I don't see the difference in the sword bearer's actions. My understanding is that it was acceptable for the sword bearer to kill himself to avoid torture, but it would have been murder for him to kill Saul as an act of mercy. Is this correct?

This reminds me of the passage in 'The Last of the Mohicans' where Duncan Heyward is about to be burned at the Stake by the Indian tribe, and Hawkeye shoots him with a rifle from a distance to save him from the torture of the fire. Although this is a fictional account obviously, would it have been an acceptable move for him to save his friend from this fate even though he was facing certain death regardless?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=347 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:39:18 +0000 bdschuh]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=347
I have been waiting for your answer for Noahides on this. In self-defense or defense of a third party from murder or rape, is one permitted, discouraged, encouraged, or forbidden to use force to stop it? Is this the heroism you are speaking of? I live in Ohio, where one probably would go to prison if he were to use force in someone's defense if it significantly harmed the perpetrator of the crime. What about robbery? May I use force in Noahide law to protect my money?]]>
I have been waiting for your answer for Noahides on this. In self-defense or defense of a third party from murder or rape, is one permitted, discouraged, encouraged, or forbidden to use force to stop it? Is this the heroism you are speaking of? I live in Ohio, where one probably would go to prison if he were to use force in someone's defense if it significantly harmed the perpetrator of the crime. What about robbery? May I use force in Noahide law to protect my money?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=327 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:37:08 +0000 sodergard]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=327 I think that sometimes it would be the only the right thing to do to commit suicide. For example, if a pious rabbi has to choose between suicide or become an idolator, what should he do? If he saved many people by killing himself, why would he not recieve the life in the World to Come? I know G-D only does what is righteous and just, I do not put that in question, but what does the rabbis say about this? What is Talmud and Torah telling us to do if we G-D forbid have this awful choice between suicide and murder or idol worship? If we are forced to idol worship, are we liable to punishment or are we not?]]> I think that sometimes it would be the only the right thing to do to commit suicide. For example, if a pious rabbi has to choose between suicide or become an idolator, what should he do? If he saved many people by killing himself, why would he not recieve the life in the World to Come? I know G-D only does what is righteous and just, I do not put that in question, but what does the rabbis say about this? What is Talmud and Torah telling us to do if we G-D forbid have this awful choice between suicide and murder or idol worship? If we are forced to idol worship, are we liable to punishment or are we not?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=307 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:11:29 +0000 Daniel2]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=307 https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=310 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:34:13 +0000 Daniel2]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=310 Also, since abortion is only considered murder 40 days or more into pregnancy, and before this it is comparable to the sin of spilling a man's seed, does this mean:
a) that life does not start at conception
b) that it is incorrect to say that abortion is murder from day 1 through 39 of pregnancy?]]> Also, since abortion is only considered murder 40 days or more into pregnancy, and before this it is comparable to the sin of spilling a man's seed, does this mean:
a) that life does not start at conception
b) that it is incorrect to say that abortion is murder from day 1 through 39 of pregnancy?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=308 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:56:35 +0000 ChaimLeyb]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=308
Should Noahides support certain types of wars and oppose others? Or is war always forbidden?]]>
Should Noahides support certain types of wars and oppose others? Or is war always forbidden?]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=236 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:02:17 +0000 CSaavedra]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=236 https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=84 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:44:07 +0000 ProudNoachide]]> https://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=84 Is it allowed for Noahides to donate blood and/or other tissue while still alive (or deceased)?
Thank you!]]> Is it allowed for Noahides to donate blood and/or other tissue while still alive (or deceased)?
Thank you!]]>